On 05 dicembre 2017 at 3:57 PM, Zam said:
again.. I don’t get your point here, MB_NG is so easy, there is no C involved for setup…
You can’t ask for deep access in a system and in the mean time asking no work at your side to handle it.
MB_NG have mostly every things you can think about without any effort… by the time you’ll use it and find limitation, you’ll be able to code in C
Best
Zam
More thanks Zam !!!
(i write about at the end of this post)
On 05 dicembre 2017 at 8:07 PM, Antichambre said:
I did not learn coding at school. Just some basic and logo programming on an amstrad CPC when I was very young then a long time ago.
I was forced to “resume” programming because I work a lot on Autocad, the only way to add functions or behaviours useful to my job was to get interested in Lisp, VBA and now .NET. I am still not an “expert”, I have the basics, my code is neither beautiful nor fast, it works. It takes me a lot of time sometimes but it is always for either to win after or for fun like here. All that to say that it depends on the interest you have there.
In addition to the MBNG, which makes the customization within the reach of my grandmother;) … the procedures and functions of MIOS are simple, TK has ensured. It’s like a car, you do not have to know how it works inside, you just have to know how to drive it.
In addition, the platform does not stop at programming, it is a vast space of knowledge, mechanics, electronics, and so on, all for one and only purpose, music. Everyone can find his place and bring his stone.
Some here do not program but are engines of the platform. 
So no, MIDIbox is not only for experts in C, that’s for sure.
Thanks for post Antichambre !
sorry , but no ! i (still) don’t think so it is possible complete a MidiBox by someone without electronics natural talent self taught
or school preparation (public or private) or tutor assisted (father, brother, friend … and why not
girlfriend too as well )
i write about at the end of this post .
On 05 dicembre 2017 at 9:14 PM, Phatline said:
oh i had the same, thoughts back in the days… not knowing what a external c-function is, and where the hell they are - thats a thing to learn first to get a point how TK arrange things…
since i learned how to wiki, i also document that - for me to remember - and for other to get some inspiration.
hmm i see three options:
* learn how to NG-Script
* learn no NG-Script - learn C instead + get the compiler running on your Computer
* ask someone who do the programming for you… but if you want to change something after - you probably have to script or c again.
i personally never learned c in shool or mentor…
back in the days when max4live come up, i startet with graphical programming (Without c), t
he programm i created, i later programmed on TK MIOS32, and i learned only the c-things i needet to get the programm running which i already know -via internet youtube and google researching- i was knowing what i need and want… i cant learn anything that i dont need @ the moment … i am no expert too, but i make my own devices and jam with my bandmate every week since years…
a “only musican” should just ask a friend to help him
a musican which want to use custom or setup a custom midicontroller - have to explore that matter and that take time and entusiasm
thanks for post Phatline!
i write about at the end of post.
On 06 dicembre 2017 at 8:40 PM, Elektruck said:
For me the same, I never programmed or wrote any code before I started midiboxing. In the meantime I’ve build a lot of different midiboxes and I’m still far from being a programmer, although I’m a wannabee now, cause I know how handy it is.
I recognize your point, back in the days I red a lot on the uCapps site and forum and didn’t get the whole picture, I didn’t know where to start. After a while, several years, I just ordered some stuff to make a simple midicontroller, just 8 faders. As soon as I started the pieces fel into place and I came to understand the structure of MIOS and Midibox. And then I realized it was always there and the basics are quite simple. But it’s also so big, so many possibilities that you can’t put that into a simple video instruction. And it’s very logical that you can’t get the whole picture at once, but if you know what you would like to do you can start with it. I’m just glad people here put their effort in building their stuff and share it, and I can’t expect them to also make video tutorials or so, but maybe it’s handy, feel free if you start a project and do a video contribution!
And if you would like to build a Midibox you should have some interest in finding your way, otherwise you’re far better off buying some commercial stuff.
Thanks for post Elektruck ! and so much compliments for your “Truck” it is simply so : A M A Z I N G
(all that you do with… included)
about your post it simply mean you are talented for electronics (i.m.h.o.)
15 hours ago, tago said:
I’m sort of in the same boat and started nonetheless, but haven’t finished something yet.
My main issue is having many hard/software related questions and a somewhat small Midibox community. I’m often in need of specific help that can’t be found elsewhere.
Btw thanks to all trying to help out us beginners!
thanks for post Tago !
“Typical” situation (me included) of the most potential musicians (and not) MidiBox users
(less electronic “expert” tutor/assistant),
that are looking for one or more “serious” device that “help/support” in making music,
willing to build it because not in the market,
and are in the situation where hardware parts , soldering and put the hardware together ,
is not a big problem (also if with lot of time and patience , various “try & error” ….. and redo too)
and for some also the firmware install is not a “mission impossible” ,
but be sure that a C-code handle (more or less) will be necessary , for get a 100% working device ,
and the fact who finish a working Midibox is the confirm about it is able in handle the code or have assistant/tutor about (i.m.h.o.).
I hold to “point out” that many of MidiBox potential “owners”/users/beginners builders not C-code “experts” (“tutorless”)
are serious adult people with music passion , not “time wasters” kids , and similar ,
so please “joke” a little is “welcome” , but we are not some kind of “stupids”…… ,
Back to “topic” : >) “friendly” :
It’s true that very lot of information are on the ucapps pages ,
unfortunately not all are understandable , and i.m.h.o not sufficient for a musician not “expert” about ,
… * : for example (only one of many cases) checking MBNG docs about how many lcd display can be connected to a core cpu, itì’s indicated that more than 2 lcd require handle the code,
for address position of “info”.
Some well made (“official”) video tutorial that show the various possible configurations between core cpu , digital-analog in-out modules ,pots - encoders-buttons , lcd display , etc… ,
and about how to install the firmware with first power up of unit ,
with also some specific example of code handle like start the software for code handle,
how access to code , basic “function” about how edit-assign-modify , etc… ,
would not be a big help (…and so much “friendly” appreciated ) ?
(…giving further “positivity” to the device .., … getting also some buck for each view … )
