MBSID V2 CC Layer

boops · February 5, 2009, 11:56am

ok…it seems that the basics parameters will be useful ,by example the volume cc:7 mod cc :1…i will make a list soon ..

toneburst · February 5, 2009, 2:29pm

What we want is controllers that will do more-or-less the same thing in the Lead, Bassline, and SuperPoly engines (the Drum engine is a maybe not such an obvious contender for CC control), so my vote is for

Main Volume

Osc. 1/2/3 Wavform

Filter Cutoff

Filter Res

Filter Type

Filter Env. Depth

Filter Env. Decay

Portamento On/Off

Portamento Time

As the basics.

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stryd_one · February 6, 2009, 1:09am

the Drum engine is a maybe not such an obvious contender for CC control

You don’t play drums very often do you?

I’d think that things like env (attack times especially), LFO rates, PWM width, and WT params would be handy…

Perhaps a CC to select which voice you are controlling with the other CCs?

toneburst · February 6, 2009, 8:05am

You don’t play drums very often do you?

I love drums, it’s just that I thought tweaking the same parameter on several different sounds might not work very well.

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stryd_one · February 7, 2009, 1:57pm

True that!

T.K · February 7, 2009, 11:27pm

Perhaps a CC to select which voice you are controlling with the other CCs?

Such a CC is already available - we call it NRPN

However, I implemented some useful CCs for the Lead Engine in RC28:

mbsidv2_cc_chart.txt

This is the Logic8 environment I used for testing:

Best Regards, Thorsten.

stryd_one · February 8, 2009, 1:32am

hahahahaha nice one

That environment looks nice too.. gotta love logic

boops · February 11, 2009, 11:26pm

Thanks ,TK SUPER WORK … 8) i will try the news cc,tomorrow…hum Best regards Boops

boops · February 16, 2009, 10:36pm

hi not try yet…

toneburst · February 17, 2009, 10:50am

Great work TK!

Any thoughts on implementing CCs for the other engines? I was thinking it would be cool to have similar controls across the different engines share the same CCs, wherever possible- so, for example, filter Cuttoff and Resonance would use CC#4 and 5 on the Lead, Bassline and SuperPoly engines. This would make producing editing templates for the controls easier and more intuitive.

What do you think?

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toneburst · February 18, 2009, 10:23pm

Sorry, this is probably an RTFM case, but any tips on how to get hold of the version of the SID app with CC support and getting it uploaded into a Core PIC?

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T.K · February 18, 2009, 10:29pm

http://www.midibox.org/forum/index.php/topic,9457.0.html

http://www.ucapps.de/midibox_sid_manual_in.html

Search for “Updating Firmware to a new Version”

Best Regards, Thorsten.

toneburst · February 18, 2009, 10:30pm

Ah, solved. Sorry for wasting your time.

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toneburst · February 19, 2009, 12:05am

Great work on the CC implementation TK! I've just been experimenting with it, and attempting to setup a template on my Novation XStation controller.

Voice 1/2/3 Waveform                        |  0-15: val |
    |    |  Bit 0: Triangle                            |            |
    |    |  Bit 1: Saw                                |            |
    |    |  Bit 2: Pulse                              |            |
    |    |  Bit 3: Noise (disables all other waveforms)|            |
    |    |  Bit 4: Disable Voice                      |            |
    |    |  Bit 5: Sync                                |            |
    |    |  Bit 6: Ringmodulator                      |            |
    |    | Example: 02h = 2 = Saw                      |            |
    |    | Example: 05h = 5 = Triangle & Pulse          |            |
    |    | Example: 21h = 33 = Triangle & Sync

I must admit to being a bit confused as to how to control the parameter above (and a few others that work in a similar way) from a MIDI controller, though. Unless I’m completely misinterpreting, there doesn’t seem to be a sane way to setup a knob or incrementing button type control to send out the appropriate data. Wouldn’t it be easier just to divide the 0 > 127 range into (in this case) 7 regions, so that a value of 0 would give a Triangle wave, 18 would give a Saw wave, etc. That way, it would be possible to setup a control with an appropriate increment step (if it was a button), or if it was a slider or rotary control, just have to have it switch waveforms in a logical way so that at one end of the control’s movement, you’d get the first option, and at the other extreme, you’d get the last option. Or is this already possible, and I’m missing something obvious?

Cheers,

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stryd_one · February 19, 2009, 8:47am

7 Regions wouldn’t allow you to select multiple waveforms…

toneburst · February 19, 2009, 9:02am

7 Regions wouldn’t allow you to select multiple waveforms…

Ah, true. Hmmmm.. I guess there’s no way to make this work in a logical way with my controller, in that case. I guess the best way to do it would be with 7 separate buttons. Unfortunately, the XStation doesn’t have enough buttons for that.

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boops · February 23, 2009, 3:30pm

HI all,after first try of the V2.0_rc28 today .. ???.it seems the control via cc not working..my try is with a EDIROL sl 25 and a P3..a simple cc "7 who works perfectly on a jd 990 or a clavia..give me no result (only cc)on my mb sid with upgrad…where my mistake(s) ? i use only lead engine patch…

7 bits is a standard?..Best regards

T.K · February 23, 2009, 3:45pm

yes, it seems that volume CC is not mapped!!!

But all the remaining CCs should work - can you confirm this???

Best Regards, Thorsten.

boops · February 23, 2009, 11:06pm

Hi,i comfirm…the first CC numbers work (no cc 7) i will follow a deeper try soon…thanks TK .Best regards

boops · March 3, 2009, 1:36am

Hi,i 've tried lots of cc tonight…good work..example:change the waveform of vco…cc 20 and play with value 0-15…i 've created amazing patterns…portamento works fine too…TK, is the value 0 on the rate(intensity) is for Portamento on/off? not as usual for me,i’ve used the FIP (Filter Interpolation) a good tool… others news soon Cheers