I have the full information PolyAT message inclusive but it is only on a draft paper so far …
My idea was to implement 4 differents things in this device:
a kind of MidiBox “dedicated” to these synths
a subset of the MIDIBox Seq v4
a midi translator tool allowing to remap midi message from one source to one destination (the idea behind this would be to allow ASB module to take control other ASX/plugiator board as they do not have exactly the same CC mapping !!!)
a MIDI preset interpolation feature to allow an alternate way of using the controller to adjust between two preset to build a third one
Ok, thats helpfull. I must say that both the Lightwave and the Pro 12 have an enormous amount of controller knobs. It will be very difficult to make a general control interface compatible with all these plugins.
Actually, the LightWave is maybe the most comlex in term of number of control elements.
But basically its structure is quite similar to the structure of the other old-school inspired synths (Minimax, Pro12, and Prodyssey):
a set of sound sources (osc + noise) mixed altogether in a filter (2 for the LightWave) and getting to an amplifier section (with the addition of a panning management for the LightWave).
So the LightWave is the most complex regarding these figures but sound more “digital” than the others.
Also the mod matrix is the most flexible on the LightWave though the Prodyssey also has nice extra (non dedicated enveloppe, S&H …) and the Pro 12 one is also great.
The Minimax has an extra oscillator but no LFO so you have to sacrify the third oscillator in case you need an LFO.
So there are to directions possible now:
setting up huge and maximized controller providing the max of what all of them provide.
setting up something more condesnsed with an oscillator/mix/filter/VCA + additionnal mod contoller (EG + lfo) with a mean to switch between the different instance of each of the elements provided (I mean, a switch between the different oscillator for example with only one oscillator element set available like what the Novation X-Station provide).
Actually, the LightWave is maybe the most comlex in term of number of control elements.
But basically its structure is quite similar to the structure of the other old-school inspired synths (Minimax, Pro12, and Prodyssey):
a set of sound sources (osc + noise) mixed altogether in a filter (2 for the LightWave) and getting to an amplifier section (with the addition of a panning management for the LightWave).
So the LightWave is the most complex regarding these figures but sound more “digital” than the others.
Also the mod matrix is the most flexible on the LightWave though the Prodyssey also has nice extra (non dedicated enveloppe, S&H …) and the Pro 12 one is also great.
The Minimax has an extra oscillator but no LFO so you have to sacrify the third oscillator in case you need an LFO.
So there are to directions possible now:
setting up huge and maximized controller providing the max of what all of them provide.
setting up something more condesnsed with an oscillator/mix/filter/VCA + additionnal mod contoller (EG + lfo) with a mean to switch between the different instance of each of the elements provided (I mean, a switch between the different oscillator for example with only one oscillator element set available like what the Novation X-Station provide).
The first idea scared the hell out of me :frantics:
The second idea is more to my liking and this is what i had in mind. I am still wondering if i should go with just using a MIOS8 or start with MIOS32.
I had a reply from Use Audio. According to them the power should be 9 volts. But i think they didn’t quite get what i meant (or didnt want to :shifty: ) I wont dare putting any power on the board till someone has done some confirmed measurements.
take a picture of the board, open it in paint, then label the pins you need the info about, send an email to useaudio again attach the picture, ask them for the details of each pin assignment/rating details of in and out functions per pin. if you send them a picture they may be more likely to help, simply because they can see you actually own a board in the first place.
they are the best people to let you know what each pin’s assignment is.
take a picture of the board, open it in paint, then label the pins you need the info about, send an email to useaudio again attach the picture, ask them for the details of each pin assignment/rating details of in and out functions per pin. if you send them a picture they may be more likely to help, simply because they can see you actually own a board in the first place.
they are the best people to let you know what each pin’s assignment is.
I already made some pictures. So i have taken your suggestion and mailed it back to them.
The first idea is what I would like but more than one CORE would be neceassary and … I do not have the room for such thing !!!
The second idea I had is more or less a kind of MIDIBOX 64.
So Mios8 should be enough.
As already mentionned I only have a MIOS32 board.
And my idea would also be to design something I could you use also with over synth by selecting a different mapping (CreamWare NOAH, Waldorf MicroQ, Soundart Chameleon Australis …).
So maybe some more memory would be more flexible. And I could still add a small steseq goodie afterward.
The first idea is what I would like but more than one CORE would be neceassary and … I do not have the room for such thing !!!
The second idea I had is more or less a kind of MIDIBOX 64.
So Mios8 should be enough.
As already mentionned I only have a MIOS32 board.
And my idea would also be to design something I could you use also with over synth by selecting a different mapping (CreamWare NOAH, Waldorf MicroQ, Soundart Chameleon Australis …).
So maybe some more memory would be more flexible. And I could still add a small steseq goodie afterward.
Well that’s my problem as well, i don’t have room to house such a massive device.
Maybe Mios8 would suffice. But then again if you consider combining a controller, simple sequencer and graphical lcd then maybe it’s to much for a PIC based device. So i am definatly considering a STM32 based device. For which i would need to brush up on my C programming skills as there is no code available for Midibox 64.
I also would need to order a STM32 from Smash (love Smash but hate the high shipping costs :pinch:). Will think about it over the weekend. But it may also pose a nice programming challenge for me.
So i am definatly considering a STM32 based device. For which i would need to brush up on my C programming skills as there is no code available for Midibox 64.
I also would need to order a STM32 from Smash (love Smash but hate the high shipping costs :pinch:). Will think about it over the weekend. But it may also pose a nice programming challenge for me.
Regarding the Midibox 64 upgrade to the Core32, maybe we can work together on it at first, share it with other members here and then customize it to our specific needs.
I just had a look at the USB_Midi_2x2 which could be a good starting point.
I thought I should call it the ApFool 01This is just a preliminary version and I think I could improve it further.Maybe it is a bit in advance on its time.What do you think about it ?
OK, so as Philetaylor, this one is not a real MIDIBOXed device (so far).
The only DIY part are the wood panel.
But the MIDIBOX I think I would like to build would probably integrate some features to control ASB invisible features (knobs for FX control and realtime control through pitch bend, modwheel, velocity and aftertouch).
So the chalenge for me is first to imagine a way to provide access to multiple external synth including ASBs, ASX/Plugiator, NOAH Ex, Chameleon, and maybe a few Waldorf gear. I must admit it is a rather ambitious project but that’s mine.
Regarding the Midibox 64 upgrade to the Core32, maybe we can work together on it at first, share it with other members here and then customize it to our specific needs.
I just had a look at the USB_Midi_2x2 which could be a good starting point.
Maybe we could. To get things started on my end, i have ordered STM32 Core from Smash.
I was wondering if we are not simply trying to recreate MIDIbox UC which might not be a bad idea…as the original creator mentioned Core32 is the way togo.
