I’m wondering if anybody has any experience with the YM2612 chip (as used in the Sega Genesis\Megadrive etc).
Supposedly it’s quite similar to the DX series of synths by yamaha, even sharing some patches.
I have a DX27, but it doesn’t really sound like my old Megadrive. I really like the way that used to sound, it was the first step up from my C64 which I love almost as much.
There are two things i’d like to know really; how similar is the OPL3 to the YM2612, and where do I go about searching for patches from old Megadrive games?? (I NEEEEEED that Marble Zone sound ) I actually have an old soundcard with an OPL3 chip on it I think, need to look it out to see.
Is the MidiBox FM that much different than a DX27?? (spec seems roughly similar).
I think you mis-understand, I wasn’t having a poke.
By ‘that much different’ I meant in terms of sound generating capabilities, since they’re both four op FM synths, though obviously the MBFM has better control capabilities.
I guess I was just wondering if it was actually worth building a MBFM when I already have a DX27 (which I bought to use as a controller). Does it produce those wonderful megadrive tones, or is it a different beast altogether?
MBFM might be a different beast altogether - but it´s much closer to the sound generating capabilities of the Megadrive than DX27. And TK already pointed out what’s the difference: Wavetable sequencer.
The DX has static programmed sounds with a few realtime modulation capabilities: generate a sound and play the notes. On the (old) game consoles music programmers had their share of the CPU time and ability to modify even all the parameters of the sound on one pass. The Wavetable sequencer in MBFM gives you the ability to modify CC parameters on the fly. It’s of course not as powerful as directly programming chip register, but it’s still useful.
hmm… okay… guess im not the only one obsessed with the sounds of the megadrive…
time for much reverse engineering…
i’ll be placing my bets that it is indeed possible to get a ymf-262 to spit out those ‘sonic’ sounds
..although i do know that some degree of sample playback was used too..
bet the secret lies in the use of a software wavetable - much like thronsten’s.. ever heard the sound artifacts when sonic stalls ? …would seem to point in that direction from what i understand.
i guess we should kidnap sega’s sound designer & extract his secrets.. with water drip torture if nessursary
hmm… okay… guess im not the only one obsessed with the sounds of the megadrive…
obsessive reporting
;D
time for much reverse engineering…
i’ll be placing my bets that it is indeed possible to get a ymf-262 to spit out those ‘sonic’ sounds
..although i do know that some degree of sample playback was used too..
sample playback can be easily heard in the MD, I think it’s all only 8-bit samples at no more than 32 kHz (just a rough guess)
bet the secret lies in the use of a software wavetable - much like thronsten’s.. ever heard the sound artifacts when sonic stalls ? …would seem to point in that direction from what i understand.
i guess we should kidnap sega’s sound designer & extract his secrets.. with water drip torture if nessursary
It seems this thread stalled at about the same time my investigations did. I managed to extract some of the patches from the game (sonic), but they had no resemblance to the sounds at all, so that was a bit of a dead end. I think I need to either find someone who knows how the game programmed the sounds, or look up the tech details for how the MD accesses the chip and see what I can find out.
It seems this thread stalled at about the same time my investigations did. I managed to extract some of the patches from the game (sonic), but they had no resemblance to the sounds at all, so that was a bit of a dead end. I think I need to either find someone who knows how the game programmed the sounds, or look up the tech details for how the MD accesses the chip and see what I can find out.
Jaicen, the Megadrive used not only OPL-type synthesis, but also digitized samples and some other synth stuff. I think leaving in only the “YM2612” option in the Gens emulator will show you what the YM was used for, though I’m not sure, maybe the other options are for CPUs controlling the YM in some way.
Any idea what synthesis technology the Technosoft sound chip is using?
No you misunderstood me. Tunderforce IV use the Megadrive’s YM2612 but the driver and patchs are diferent from Sega’s YM driver.
It result of others sound, better than all others patch on this machine. However if you find how this driver works you will take it for sound production.
Very amusing, since I’m working on my MB FM right now: in the entry just below the YMF262, I found the YM2164. Apparently this chip is used in the Korg 707, and I just happened to pick one of those up a few months ago. For a 49-key MIDI controller with velocity and aftertouch, and an old FM synth built-in, $70 wasn’t a bad price. The odd thing about the 707 is that Korg has the patches setup in the virtual analog style: oscillator waveforms, envelopes, modulators, etc… even though it sounds very VERY digital.
For those who love the megadrive sounds, and want to make music with it, a guy from russia just finished a first version of a cool MD tracker : check it out ! ( it’s pretty good ;D )
Not only is it a tracker capable of playing through a real Megadrive, but it runs on a PC so it’s easy and fast. I’m going to get myself knee-deep in this soon enough! I’ve also got a ZX Spectrum +3, I wonder if this tracker will work on that? That would be very cool, because the +3 has integrated MIDI input, so I might be able to find some software to get it sync’d. Justice I say!
) I actually have an old soundcard with an OPL3 chip on it I think, need to look it out to see.