# selling my Midibox SID on ebay **URL:** \ **Category:** Sale Requests\ **Created:** [October 16, 2007, 1:24pm UTC](https://forum.midibox.org/t/selling-my-midibox-sid-on-ebay/9385 "2007-10-16T13:24:02Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![julienvoirin](https://forum.midibox.org/user_avatar/forum.midibox.org/julienvoirin/32/67_2.png) [@julienvoirin](https://forum.midibox.org/u/julienvoirin)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2007, 1:24pm UTC](https://forum.midibox.org/t/selling-my-midibox-sid-on-ebay/9385/1 "2007-10-16T13:24:02Z")
I would like to sell my 1st midibox sid on eBay to compensate the building cost of the MB6582 that i am assembling these days (not yet finished, still not found the tact switches). [http://www.midibox.org/forum/index.php?topic=8468.msg59140#msg59140](http://www.midibox.org/forum/index.php?topic=8468.msg59140#msg59140) Is it possible ? In the mean time, i ask for another project I would like to develop, with a commercial idea behind. It is the UMR, topic started at :  [http://www.midibox.org/forum/index.php?topic=9974.0](http://www.midibox.org/forum/index.php?topic=9974.0) For the moment it is only a project, application not developped, but a selling issue would boost me. I also plan to pay people invested in the project development ; i even had thought to hire a friend who knows assembler coding, because he has the skill for code, and i have the skill for doing apparels. I intend to propose kits to buy, the dedicated PCB would be made by a manufacturer (no copy of the CORE of course !, cause it is too big). An assembled version would be possible, adding the fees for my soldering. Code would be published as GPL as suggested by Bill (the guy who recycled the commodore 64 keyboard with the scan matrix of Thorsten) Thanks for replies, any comments appreciated ---
**Author:** ![Twin-X](https://forum.midibox.org/user_avatar/forum.midibox.org/twin-x/32/16_2.png) [@Twin-X](https://forum.midibox.org/u/Twin-X)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2007, 2:51pm UTC](https://forum.midibox.org/t/selling-my-midibox-sid-on-ebay/9385/2 "2007-10-16T14:51:33Z")
Julien, Do you plan to auction it or do a buy now price? Because that is a huge diffrence. Jeffry ---
**Author:** ![julienvoirin](https://forum.midibox.org/user_avatar/forum.midibox.org/julienvoirin/32/67_2.png) [@julienvoirin](https://forum.midibox.org/u/julienvoirin)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2007, 5:23pm UTC](https://forum.midibox.org/t/selling-my-midibox-sid-on-ebay/9385/3 "2007-10-16T17:23:10Z")
Oh ?! Why is it a big difference ? Do you think I could sell it for 500$ ? My idea was that  the auction would reach 150-180$. People would be stupid 'cause it costed 117 euros to make it (i ve counted it 3 days ago), using very expensive electronic shop (local dealer, no reichelt). Eh ! and can i put a direct buy correponding to the cost of the MB6582 ? ---
**Author:** ![T.K](https://forum.midibox.org/user_avatar/forum.midibox.org/t.k/32/7_2.png) [@T.K](https://forum.midibox.org/u/T.K)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2007, 7:03pm UTC](https://forum.midibox.org/t/selling-my-midibox-sid-on-ebay/9385/4 "2007-10-16T19:03:49Z")
Thinking that nobody would ever pay more than $500 for an ebay auction is a little bit naive. It always hurts my heart when I see that there are people who are selling even cheaply built and unattractive looking MIDIboxes for a lot of profit. And those people never asked me for permission, which hurts me even more, as the copyrights are clearly stated at many places of my website. I think it would be better for the community if you would sell your MIDIbox via the Fleamarket of this forum. This would be a fair deal, because you will offer it to people who already know the projects (mostly), and it should result into a realistice price w/o profit. To your project: as mentioned in other topics, I don’t understand why people are asking for a commercial option before presenting a finished project to the community. This statement is not meant personally against you, I only want to highlight, that something is going wrong when people are only motivated to contribute, when they know that they could earn some money. If this would be my own motivation, the projects wouldn’t exist! Therefore my offer for a commercial option is mainly directed to people who have the same spirit like me (and the majority of the community) Best Regards, Thorsten. ---
**Author:** ![julienvoirin](https://forum.midibox.org/user_avatar/forum.midibox.org/julienvoirin/32/67_2.png) [@julienvoirin](https://forum.midibox.org/u/julienvoirin)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2007, 7:35pm UTC](https://forum.midibox.org/t/selling-my-midibox-sid-on-ebay/9385/5 "2007-10-16T19:35:02Z")
> even cheaply built and unattractive looking MIDIboxes yes mine is ugly, i admit. > via the Fleamarket of this forum. i have thought to some hours ago ; and will do a proposal. but if I could pay the MB6582 with the selling of the Midibox sid, it would be better (130 € of resistors, capacitors, HE10 barrels, Ultrabright LEDs, etc !!! f###ing selectronic !) > people who have the same spirit like me (and the majority of the community) i do not know what is the “spirit” of the community, but you have certainly noticed that i share all i ve done using ucapps, and i gave you pcb plans for doing scan matrix or bankstickx8 boards (did i gave you the bankstick ? i don’t remember) and published 1 user project … ok i still have to make a better documentation 😛 For the UMR : on my opinion, what could be considered “for the community” is “how to record midi on a bankstick and read it”. After that, what could be considered as my idea, my IP : “imagining a machine capable of recording several sequences at the same time, and reading them, espacially the control surface”. Of course, i would be happy to show and explain to others how to do that ! And thank u too cause MIOS is behind !(very intelligent to think a Midi OS). And by the way, it was just an idea : between the idea and the final product … it takes long, very long. I will ask again later if something becames real. And all the best 2 TK ! ---
**Author:** ![SLP](https://forum.midibox.org/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/s/f0a364/32.png) [@SLP](https://forum.midibox.org/u/SLP)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2007, 8:06pm UTC](https://forum.midibox.org/t/selling-my-midibox-sid-on-ebay/9385/6 "2007-10-16T20:06:03Z")
> yes mine is ugly, i admit. I think TK meant [this](http://www.midibox.org/forum/index.php?topic=9760.0). yours is’nt ugly at all … it’s “retro”  😉 ---
**Author:** ![T.K](https://forum.midibox.org/user_avatar/forum.midibox.org/t.k/32/7_2.png) [@T.K](https://forum.midibox.org/u/T.K)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2007, 8:21pm UTC](https://forum.midibox.org/t/selling-my-midibox-sid-on-ebay/9385/7 "2007-10-16T20:21:29Z")
As I wrote: this was not personally against you, it’s just my personal impression about the strange things which happened in the last months. For example: recording MIDI data directly into a BankStick: I could tell you the technical details how to do this within 5 minutes (ok, writing this down into understandable english takes one hour) - the method would even work without RAM buffering, just only a non-blocking IIC handler is required. There are also people who already talked about the usage of a compact flash in this forum, which is the prefered way to go in my eyes for such a high amount of data - especially because you are able to exchange files directly with a PC (when it is stuffed with a card reader) But if we discuss such approaches in the forum to find the best solution, has anybody the right to claim that now this is his own IP? Even if he maybe had the initial idea (or was inspirated from ideas which have been discussed by other people before?). Is anybody still allowed to help you, or would this lead to unwanted complexity when sharing the profit? Best Regards, Thorsten. ---
**Author:** ![julienvoirin](https://forum.midibox.org/user_avatar/forum.midibox.org/julienvoirin/32/67_2.png) [@julienvoirin](https://forum.midibox.org/u/julienvoirin)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2007, 10:14pm UTC](https://forum.midibox.org/t/selling-my-midibox-sid-on-ebay/9385/8 "2007-10-16T22:14:34Z")
> has anybody the right to claim that now this is his own IP? ??? i don’t know that was just to tell that i am sure we are several to have great idea while using your mbhp and the mios, and we have the opportunity to develop something we believe in. moreover, as i am job hunting these last weeks, and because i have been passing so much interesting weeks with the development or the building of midiboxes, i am imagining a manner to earn some money, not to be rich, just to live a little doing something interesting. and that’s your fault ! (irony) thanks again. and something i learned this year : idea can’t be licensed. so … moreover, to be realistic : do you think that a business plan would give me reason ? look out all artists on stage, they need products like Akai MPC or Ableton Live, much more easier to understand than the MIDI. But i prefer to stop the discussion about commercial now. Nothing is developed, i am hunting for Radio France or the RSR, so it is far from the midibox … and it is maybe better that it stays a hobby, it brings less sorrow. > recording MIDI data directly into a BankStick: holy shit ! come on in the user projects section, we need your knowledge 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![doc](https://forum.midibox.org/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/d/f07891/32.png) [@doc](https://forum.midibox.org/u/doc)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2007, 5:47am UTC](https://forum.midibox.org/t/selling-my-midibox-sid-on-ebay/9385/9 "2007-10-18T05:47:04Z")
\*wow\* Sometimes I can’t believe, what is written here … Which part of the small sentence NON COMMERCIAL is so hard to understand ??? > and something i learned this year : idea can’t be licensed. so … False .. You can get a patent on YOUR idea, but you can’t use ideas of other for your profit. Forgive me, but I interpret your wish this way: You’ve learned how to solder a midibox and you have a idea on this and now you want to make profit on this. … I don’t like this spirit ! Sorry Thorsten, I know you are the only one who wants to answer those requests … but I couldn’t hold back this time … and I also know, you are much to polite to write it this way. (I hadn’t my black coffee this morning, so please forgive me …) greets Doc ---
**Author:** ![julienvoirin](https://forum.midibox.org/user_avatar/forum.midibox.org/julienvoirin/32/67_2.png) [@julienvoirin](https://forum.midibox.org/u/julienvoirin)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2007, 10:46am UTC](https://forum.midibox.org/t/selling-my-midibox-sid-on-ebay/9385/10 "2007-10-18T10:46:32Z")
> … I don’t like this spirit ! you 're jealous Next time I won’t ask and do what I want … is it better ? I just wanted to know if i could use a mass media to resell my SID to capital the investment i made in MB6582. ---
**Author:** ![DavidBanner](https://forum.midibox.org/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/d/ee7513/32.png) [@DavidBanner](https://forum.midibox.org/u/DavidBanner)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2007, 11:08am UTC](https://forum.midibox.org/t/selling-my-midibox-sid-on-ebay/9385/11 "2007-10-18T11:08:57Z")
> Next time I won’t ask and do what I want Really? Is this a statement of intent? > I just wanted to know if i could use a mass media to resell my SID to capital the investment i made in MB6582. “capital investment” - are you joking? We are hardly talking about setting up a factory with plant and equipment. It would seem from your sentiment that you put no value on the knowledge you have gained from this midibox project… ---
**Author:** ![seppoman](https://forum.midibox.org/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/s/85f322/32.png) [@seppoman](https://forum.midibox.org/u/seppoman)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2007, 11:20am UTC](https://forum.midibox.org/t/selling-my-midibox-sid-on-ebay/9385/12 "2007-10-18T11:20:10Z")
Hi guys, what I don´t like about this thread, and it happened in some similar cases, too: In my opinion there´s no need to insult people or be angry or moralistic on them just because they asked a question here. I mean, this board has been created exactly for cases like this one. JV asked, TK answered, JV complied to TK´s answer (at least so far). That´s the way this board was meant to work. So why not just calm down a bit? That said, a disclaimer: I don´t want to endorse any MBHP-related commercial actions with this post, I´m just saying, if you want to be angry at someone, choose a guy who doesn´t ask here and doesn´t give a shit about TKs opinion on his actions (like e.g. the guy from the “SID-NUXX on eBay” thread - and btw, does this Argentinian “company” also still exist?) Seppoman ---
**Author:** ![nILS](https://forum.midibox.org/user_avatar/forum.midibox.org/nils/32/19_2.png) [@nILS](https://forum.midibox.org/u/nILS)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2007, 11:28am UTC](https://forum.midibox.org/t/selling-my-midibox-sid-on-ebay/9385/13 "2007-10-18T11:28:44Z")
@seppoman \>\> … I don’t like this spirit ! \> you 're jealous I don’t think julien was the one insulted here… \> […] if i could use a mass media to resell my SID to capital the investment i made in MB6582. That’s the definition of “commercial”, ain’t it? ---
**Author:** ![julienvoirin](https://forum.midibox.org/user_avatar/forum.midibox.org/julienvoirin/32/67_2.png) [@julienvoirin](https://forum.midibox.org/u/julienvoirin)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2007, 12:45pm UTC](https://forum.midibox.org/t/selling-my-midibox-sid-on-ebay/9385/14 "2007-10-18T12:45:17Z")
All of you guys start to "geht mir auf die Nerven ! "  \>:( > capital investment" - are you joking create me an account at radiospares and we talk back. Do you know how much I have to pay components ?! is it normal i recycled components from old VCR ? 1,2 euros for a 74HC595. Not shocked ? > Is this a statement of intent? it’s provocation. I don’t have to be “le souffre douleur” of a person who did not had his coffee in the morning . > you put no value on the knowledge you have gained for me, you do not have to pay for knowledge. i am sure you know “Le siècle des Lumières” ?  And yes i’ve learned ; what was the best thing to do ? contribute. And I did. Did you ? I think that newbies need good documented coding examples ,it was hard for me. Now look out well eBay. You will never see my SID as auction. BTW I tested the v2 last night and now i wonder if I should stop to sell it. Next time I feel angryness in a post, I remove this topic  \>:( And i am really sorry to be a creative person having idea how to make cool devices to use to make music. ---
**Author:** ![Wilba](https://forum.midibox.org/user_avatar/forum.midibox.org/wilba/32/21_2.png) [@Wilba](https://forum.midibox.org/u/Wilba)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2007, 1:12pm UTC](https://forum.midibox.org/t/selling-my-midibox-sid-on-ebay/9385/15 "2007-10-18T13:12:43Z")
**Chill everyone.** JV is not a profiteer, and I think we’ve steered him into doing new projects for fun instead of thinking about a commercial product first. > “capital investment” - are you joking? You guys have no idea about “capital investment”. **This** is capital investment… $7800 worth of SIDs. **\*whack\*** ![1616207544_3529d9adcf.jpg](https://forum.midibox.org/uploads/default/original/2X/a/a8fee19773fdef2684c7e4d944d8504ea55815cd.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![Goblinz](https://forum.midibox.org/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/g/9de0a6/32.png) [@Goblinz](https://forum.midibox.org/u/Goblinz)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2007, 1:29pm UTC](https://forum.midibox.org/t/selling-my-midibox-sid-on-ebay/9385/16 "2007-10-18T13:29:32Z")
> **Chill everyone.** JV is not a profiteer, and I think we’ve steered him into doing new projects for fun instead of thinking about a commercial product first. > > You guys have no idea about “capital investment”. > > **This** is capital investment… $7800 worth of SIDs. > > **\*whack\*** Wiba, please can you be a bit more careful what you post in the future, my work has a very strict policy on using company machines to look at porn on the net \*whack\* ![1616207544_3529d9adcf.jpg](https://forum.midibox.org/uploads/default/original/2X/a/a8fee19773fdef2684c7e4d944d8504ea55815cd.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![julienvoirin](https://forum.midibox.org/user_avatar/forum.midibox.org/julienvoirin/32/67_2.png) [@julienvoirin](https://forum.midibox.org/u/julienvoirin)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2007, 1:42pm UTC](https://forum.midibox.org/t/selling-my-midibox-sid-on-ebay/9385/17 "2007-10-18T13:42:42Z")
thanks Wilba. did you really paid that ? where is the porn Goblinz ??? And something i did not tell : last night, while jamming with the modulation wheel on the MB6582 in bassline mode, i was thinking to redesign the Voirinov in order to had several LFO to modulate CC values. Seriously, how many people would be interested by that ? i am sure you would like to get the code. So now stop being angry, be creative ! ---
**Author:** ![Goblinz](https://forum.midibox.org/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/g/9de0a6/32.png) [@Goblinz](https://forum.midibox.org/u/Goblinz)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2007, 1:52pm UTC](https://forum.midibox.org/t/selling-my-midibox-sid-on-ebay/9385/18 "2007-10-18T13:52:31Z")
> thanks Wilba. did you really paid that ? > > where is the porn Goblinz ??? > > And something i did not tell : last night, while jamming with the modulation wheel on the MB6582 in bassline mode, i was thinking to redesign the Voirinov in order to had several LFO to modulate CC values. > > Seriously, how many people would be interested by that ? i am sure you would like to get the code. So now stop being angry, be creative ! The SID-porn  😉 ---
**Author:** ![DavidBanner](https://forum.midibox.org/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/d/ee7513/32.png) [@DavidBanner](https://forum.midibox.org/u/DavidBanner)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2007, 2:53pm UTC](https://forum.midibox.org/t/selling-my-midibox-sid-on-ebay/9385/19 "2007-10-18T14:53:16Z")
> capital investment" - are you jokingcreate me an account at radiospares and we talk back. Do you know how much I have to pay components ?! is it normal i recycled components from old VCR ? > > 1,2 euros for a 74HC595. Not shocked ? No I am not shocked, I have a fair amount of electronic components in my little stock pile and lots more stuffed into boards. You are also talking to someone who has had custom pot runs done by Alps - that is expensive! > you do not have to pay for knowledge. You didn’t pay for the knowledge, just the components. And for the record I said value, it’s interesting you took that to mean money… > what was the best thing to do ? contribute. And I did. Did you ? you have no idea what I have or have not contributed to this community. given the amount of effort, time and money some people (i.e. not me) have put in here I doubt you really wanna go there, I sure don’t… ---
**Author:** ![doc](https://forum.midibox.org/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/d/f07891/32.png) [@doc](https://forum.midibox.org/u/doc)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2007, 3:55pm UTC](https://forum.midibox.org/t/selling-my-midibox-sid-on-ebay/9385/20 "2007-10-18T15:55:06Z")
Hm … next time I drink my coffee first. @julien I just wanted to say my opinion … I don’t like the spirit. ok? I didn’t wanted to start a attack against anything and anybody (.. and I also didn’t wanted to start a war or a battle …) Sorry, if anybody gets me wrong (normally I’m a nice guy …) jealous ? - No. I make my money by producing (my own) ideas, also. PEACE! greets Doc [Next page](https://forum.midibox.org/t/selling-my-midibox-sid-on-ebay/9385.md?page=2)