So, It seems that I have to burn the Bootstrap loader, the mios 1.7 and the SID application, but I just wanted to make sure those were the only things that I needed to burn to the pic (there were so many files it seemed I needed more). I am (eventually) running a single chip SID with a 6581 plugged into it, a 16 x 2 lcd with 1 encoder, 4 select buttons and 1 menu button oh and a bankstick. Is there anything else I need to burn to the pic? Thanks for your help - kBud
you need to burn *just* the bootstrap to the pic, and then you can upload mios and the sid app via midi
Well, the reason that I got the burner is because I was having trouble uploading the other stuff via midi so is it possible to upload all of it through the pic? - kBud
I was having trouble uploading the other stuff via midi so is it possible to upload all of it through the pic?
I dont’t think so.
I dont’t think so.
wait a minute, can somebody confirm/deny this? i thought it WAS possible to upload MIOS, etc. to the PIC without using MIDI.
It doesn’t actualy make sense that a pic couldn’t be programmed completely. I mean, I bought the jdm last week for the specific purpose of bypassing the midi problems I had been having. It would only make sense that you could do this, though as seen in my post i don’t know how. - kBud
I know I am not the only person who has had mios upload problems with a mac, is there anyone out there with a pc that could run these tests on their pc in the new england area or by mail?? I am totally desparate at this point. - kBud
With the old mbhp stuff you could upload apps via the JDM. But we are rolling with the new n improved MIOS nowadays so you just burn the bootstrap loader as already mentioned…
Once this is done you then take the PIC, plop it in a core, syx MIOS then the same with whatever apps u want…gravy really  ;)
I know I am not the only person who has had mios upload problems with a mac
Mebbe u should get a PIC from SmashTV with the bootstrap loader already burnt…then follow the instructions on the bootstrap loader page (on the ucapps site) for uploading shit with a mac…
Best,
D
Yes,
It’s also possible to burn MIOS and application code to the PIC along with the bootstrap loader - but this is totally unsupported (You’d have to find out the method by yourself - huh?)
There are some good reasons for the current practice:
Simplicity: With a PIC burned with a bootstrap loader, MIOS/application uploads/updates can be done over midi.
With a MIDI box, there’s no reason to skip over getting midi (core) working, because you want midi working anyway.
(And taking these things into account - there’s no reason what so ever, to mess thing up by describing a redundant, more technical way of doing things)
So - forget what I said 
But what is the problem with your midibox? Describe?
?You have bootstrap loader in, but:
A. Can’t get it communicate over midi? (Can you see midibox sending the Sysex?)
B. Midi seems to work, but MIOS upload fails (with a Mac)?
Bye, Moebius
When I received the pic it had the bootstrap loader. I checked it and it was giving off the correct messages. Then there was an error during the midi sysex upload while following the Mac instructions for sysex librarian. Then I couldnt get an messages at all. So thats when I started asking questions in a previous thread. I was having problems with both my SID and the core so i was trying to get one that would work to troubleshoot the other. Everyone just says upload with MIDI and it will be fine, but in the case that it isn’t no one seems to be able to offer any help. - kBud
Hi,
I think everyone is trying to help here but sometimes it’s difficult to see what the problem is by only looking at the symptoms. However i agree with what moebius says; it’s a midi box so first you should hav your midi working.
First i would disconnect everything from the core exept the lcd. (what does the lcd say when you power on (if only black blocks, you have only bootstrap loader, if nothing turn contrast pot)).
Then just check all the connections and follow the midi_troubleshooting guide in the forum. If you have midi working we have eliminated hardware problems that could cause problems with uploading. Then try uploading again. Step. by. step..
good luck, marcel
Slow down K!
Don’t get frustrated, but we need better symptom infomation!
Then there was an error during the midi sysex upload while following the Mac instructions for sysex librarian.
Knowing what the error was might be a start to solving this…
Then I couldnt get an messages at all. So thats when I started asking questions in a previous thread.
Again it’s time to look at the error message and to test/verify your midi interface on the mac and on the core…
Everyone just says upload with MIDI and it will be fine, but in the case that it isn’t no one seems to be able to offer any help. - kBud
Not enough info to know what’s going on yet! I can tell you that sysex upload on the MAC works fine for me as shown on 10.2.8…
Best!
Smash
Sorry guys, just a bad tech week. I am going to try to reload the pic with bootstrap loader on my friends pc. If I can get that done then i will tell you what is going on with it. The problem i had before with the Mac was that while loading it there was no error and then after loading it on there there was no midi response nothing coming out after power up, nothing coming from the sid. I will see where tonight gets me. you guys are great. - kBud
OK So I tried to re burn my pic three times and now it keeps giving off an F8 – – – — Timing clock every 2 seconds or so and then soon after it starts to “freak out” and send random program change and note on and note off data. I checked all of the voltage readings on the jdm and the core and they were fine. Has anyone else encountered this? - kBud
hi,
you had an allready burnt (bootstrapped) PIC yeah??
Once you have it there’s no need to burn it again, even when you try to upload something and this doesten’t work, your bootstrap will stay ok.
What does your lcd say??
I think that you should check midi in/out and upload mios, when this works you will see something like “MIOS 1.7” instead of the black blocks you should have with only the bootstrap
good luck
Well it’s erased now so I have no choice but to start from scratch, unfortunately. I wish i had better sense to just get another bootstrap pic rather than a jdm module. - kBud
So i got midi ox to reveive the correct Bootstrap Loader message but for only a minute and then it started random note changes and cc changes again? - kBud :-\
I think that I might be having trouble with the crystal of the caps that bring it to ground. The right sysex will show up if i short the caps to ground and then let go, i don’t know why??? - kBud ???
Thats interesting! Which caps and which crystal are you using exactly?
Best Regards, Thorsten.
I am using the caps and crystal that were recommended on smashtv’s mouser parts list. This is a very strange happenning. Once, as i said, i got it to start upwith the correct message, then the message became confused note on/off messages, cc changes and other such things. It got faster and faster until it reached a sort of peak speed. When i checked midi-ox for details of what was happening i noticed that there was an incoming bpm being measured that peaked at 375 BMP!! It was quite the flow of midi code. There are six points together on the core, the two each for the two caps and the crystal. If i touch those six with my finger the flood of midiout messages stops, then if i let go it gives the correct message then soon after it goes back to the flood, very strange. I think it is a great thing what you guys are doing and i am sorry that this nube has been messing things up for you, i just want a sid synth soooo bad. 8 months and still trying - kBud