MB6582 Stereo Out Issues

Hello everyone

 

I have the problem that my 8 SID synth somehow turns the individual stereo out into two identical mono signals, both containing L and R. The builder says that it was a first generation build. Not sure if it was built like this or if these are transport defects. It behaves exactly the same for all 4 individual outs, and everything else seems to work fine on the synth. Except the passive mixer out does not work at all either.

 

Any hint would be highly appreciated. I am a bit puzzled that all 4 work exactly the same (wrong) way. If there wasn’t an obvious other fault with the mix out I would even think it is user error on my side (I tried for hours though and can modulate the filters of both chips separately, for example, and both modulations can clearly be heard, but always on both speakers).

 

 

that’s how it’s supposed to work.  One SID per channel

 

 The passive mixer only works if nothing is connected to the main outs.

that’s how it’s supposed to work.  One SID per channel

 

 The passive mixer only works if nothing is connected to the main outs.

 

Thank you for the answer, Altitude.

 

If I understand correctly it is supposed to work like this:

 

SID1 = L

SID2 = R

 

Instead my unit does:

SID1+2 = L

SID1+2 = R

 

Identical signal in both channels. All 4 direct outs behave the same. It is like in mono mode but *both* SIDs (?).

 

When trying the passive mixer I do not connect anything else.

If you are sure about this, then i think you should open the box up. Then post a highres photo of the top and bottom side of the mainboard.

+1, sounds like something is not wired correctly.  Does this have the feedback pots?

Many thanks for taking the time guys. I made some pics, hope you can see all you need.

 

 

 

Direct links to the real size pics:

http://imageshack.com/a/img716/4866/le62.jpg

http://imageshack.com/a/img826/689/1gju.jpg

http://imageshack.com/a/img22/2361/nc1f.jpg

http://imageshack.com/a/img546/9282/451n.jpg

http://imageshack.com/a/img547/216/jo1u.jpg

Besides cutting a few corners here and there i cannot see something obviously wrong with this build. The only modifications i see are in the power section and in the lcd connector.

Are those mono potentiometers instead of stereo ones? That could explain it - because it looks like SIDs 1 and 2 are connected together at the pot and being summed to both left and right.

Stupid question: how do I check this? That would certainly explain it..

yep, mono pots are your problem. They’re supposed to be dual like this:http://www.mouser.com/catalog/specsheets/TW-700150.pdf

yep, mono pots are your problem. They’re supposed to be dual like this:http://www.mouser.com/catalog/specsheets/TW-700150.pdf

 

Are you sure these are the correct ones? I thought the MB6582 required pots with a 4mm shaft. Or is that just on my backpanel?

That’s what I used and they are fine.  Flatted D is 6mm, I dont think I’ve ever seen 4mm shafts

These are 4mm shafts. The 6mm ones don’t fit my panel.

woah, those are huge, that looks like a 6mm shaft though.. The holes are for a M7 threaded part

You guys have no idea how much YOU ROCK!!!

 

Thank you so much.

 

I just unplugged the attentuators and everything is as it should. When I connect *one* SID back to the attentuator, this channel also appears on the passive mix out. Just on the L or R of course depending on which SID is connected. I assume once they are properly wired this will work as expected, too. Best of all: I can use it immediately just w/o feedback. YAY!

 

Should even be capable with my basic soldering skills to swap these out myself. I also removed the (very noisy) ventilator, reading a thread here I think it should be ok (studio use only, no hot venues etc). Unless someone has made bad experience meanwhile, if so please say so.

 

Well, if I ever can do you a favour, please send me a PM (no clue, mix a track with nice outboard? “master” it or provide samples of mostly analoge synths or process stuff, whatever).

 

Thanks a lot.

You have the 6582 SID in there. Those don’t run so hot. But just to be sure, you could put on some heatsinks.